What's with the spam here ?

[David H. Lipman]

I thought this is a moderated News Group. What's all this spam ?

[George Hazan]

Hello, David!
Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:11:01 -0500 you wrote:

DHL> I thought this is a moderated News Group. What's all this spam ?

It's a mailing list, not a newsgroup. You can delete that spam in FL :) not
to see on it anymore.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "George Hazan" <george.hazan-***@public.gmane.org>

| Hello, David!
| Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:11:01 -0500 you wrote:
|
DHL>> I thought this is a moderated News Group. What's all this spam ?
|
| It's a mailing list, not a newsgroup. You can delete that spam in FL :) not
| to see on it anymore.
|


news://news.gmane.org\gmane.network.fidolook

Is a mailing list ?

[Sergey Pushnyakov]

Hello, David!
You wrote to George Hazan on Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:33:57 -0500:

DHL>>> I thought this is a moderated News Group. What's all this spam ?
GH>
GH> It's a mailing list, not a newsgroup. You can delete that spam in FL
GH> :) not to see on it anymore.
GH>
DHL> news://news.gmane.org\gmane.network.fidolook
DHL> Is a mailing list ?
Yep. Just a mailing list accessible via g

[George Hazan]

Hello, David!

Post by George Hazan
It's a mailing list, not a newsgroup. You can delete that spam in FL
not | to see on it anymore.

DHL> news://news.gmane.org\gmane.network.fidolook
DHL> Is a mailing list ?

Yes :) gmane is just a NNTP frontend for the Google mailing lists.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "George Hazan" <george.hazan-***@public.gmane.org>

|
| Hello, David!
| Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:33:57 -0500 you wrote:
|

Post by George Hazan
It's a mailing list, not a newsgroup. You can delete that spam in FL

not |>>> to see on it anymore.
DHL>> news://news.gmane.org\gmane.network.fidolook
DHL>> Is a mailing list ?
|
| Yes :) gmane is just a NNTP frontend for the Google mailing lists.
|

Google Groups sucks !
Whose bright idea was to connect the two ?

[Arioch /BDV/]

The stars so gaily glistened... (Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:41:12 -0500 @736)
...while the fading voice of David whispered through the darkness,
making lonely ghost of George Hazan tremble:

AS: i wonder that giving URL to gmane you never looked at www.gmane.org FAQ
:)

DHL> Whose bright idea was to connect the two ?

That's a long story.
Initially Fidolook main idea was correct reading and replying to FIDO
echoes, gated to internet via www.demos.su provider.
Since those days russian section of internet had little if any interesting
newsgroups and even forums - that was ver useful thing.
Also those days there were times less spam over net, so the fact that
Demos'es gate is de facto supporting spammers did not mean much.

Then at some point we thought about getting rid from it. There were months
when gate was almost unusable, you see.
And www-forums are so hard to use :(
Alas there are lot of places where one can have free forum hosting, an none
with newsgroups.
At least i failed to find those then.

1st i was thinking about www.talk.ru - they serves brilliant mix of
WWW-forum, NNTP-newsgroup (with login/password same as for WWW) and e-mail
(maillist). I still think they are superior from techical point of view.
Alas, all their pages are in russian. No matter how i asked to think about
possibility of localisation - they refused. Now i hope at some point Google
Groups will be as useful as talk.ru.
Another forum i met is MS.Net forum at www.rsdn.ru - they made NNTP frontend
t otheir WWW forum, like Talk.ru made WWW-frontend to NNTP engine :)
Alas both Talk and RSDN engines are proprietary, and none of them can be
localised to English.

So it seeemed like no good.

I don't know how i found GMane. That is not what i do like. It's WWW Loom
interface is ugly, and WWW Blog is not as fancy as many other forums are.
Also it was not hosting newsgroups, but it rather converted (and do so)
maillist. So there is a ping-pong gmane->maillist-server->gmane for every
message which is delay. And NNTP messages do carry a lot of maillist0related
garbage in their headers, that could be easily cleaned up.

Still it was the only free NNTP service what we got. Initially that maillist
was hosted on fidolook.com, then we lost that domain, and maillist was moved
to GoogleGroups, and remains there still.

....what i hope, is that fudforum.org will one day act like NNTP server, not
only NNTP client :) GMane WWW interfaces are really ugly :)

BTW, look this newsgroup in GMane WWW interface, or look headers of the
messages - and You would find a way to report them are spam ;)

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Arioch /BDV/" <the_Arioch-***@public.gmane.org>

|
| The stars so gaily glistened... (Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:41:12 -0500 @736)
| ...while the fading voice of David whispered through the darkness,
| making lonely ghost of George Hazan tremble:
|
| AS: i wonder that giving URL to gmane you never looked at www.gmane.org FAQ
| :)
|
DHL>> Whose bright idea was to connect the two ?
|
| That's a long story.
| Initially Fidolook main idea was correct reading and replying to FIDO
| echoes, gated to internet via www.demos.su provider.
| Since those days russian section of internet had little if any interesting
| newsgroups and even forums - that was ver useful thing.
| Also those days there were times less spam over net, so the fact that
| Demos'es gate is de facto supporting spammers did not mean much.
|
| Then at some point we thought about getting rid from it. There were months
| when gate was almost unusable, you see.
| And www-forums are so hard to use :(
| Alas there are lot of places where one can have free forum hosting, an none
| with newsgroups.
| At least i failed to find those then.
|
| 1st i was thinking about www.talk.ru - they serves brilliant mix of
| WWW-forum, NNTP-newsgroup (with login/password same as for WWW) and e-mail
| (maillist). I still think they are superior from techical point of view.
| Alas, all their pages are in russian. No matter how i asked to think about
| possibility of localisation - they refused. Now i hope at some point Google
| Groups will be as useful as talk.ru.
| Another forum i met is MS.Net forum at www.rsdn.ru - they made NNTP frontend
| t otheir WWW forum, like Talk.ru made WWW-frontend to NNTP engine :)
| Alas both Talk and RSDN engines are proprietary, and none of them can be
| localised to English.
|
| So it seeemed like no good.
|
| I don't know how i found GMane. That is not what i do like. It's WWW Loom
| interface is ugly, and WWW Blog is not as fancy as many other forums are.
| Also it was not hosting newsgroups, but it rather converted (and do so)
| maillist. So there is a ping-pong gmane->maillist-server->gmane for every
| message which is delay. And NNTP messages do carry a lot of maillist0related
| garbage in their headers, that could be easily cleaned up.
|
| Still it was the only free NNTP service what we got. Initially that maillist
| was hosted on fidolook.com, then we lost that domain, and maillist was moved
| to GoogleGroups, and remains there still.
|
| ....what i hope, is that fudforum.org will one day act like NNTP server, not
| only NNTP client :) GMane WWW interfaces are really ugly :)
|
| BTW, look this newsgroup in GMane WWW interface, or look headers of the
| messages - and You would find a way to report them are spam ;)
|

Thank you for that informative reply !